[HECnet] HECnet mail gateway...
Mark Abene
phiber at phiber.com
Fri Apr 14 23:25:00 PDT 2017
I found an old message by MRC where he says that he separated out DECnet
mail server functionality from his TOPS-20 MMAILR because it didn't work
right, and created a standalone MAISER to handle DECnet mail only, leaving
MMAILR to handle Internet mail only. Anyone here know the details of this?
Regards,
Mark
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-04-14 08:37, Mark Abene wrote:
>>
>>> It does indeed work to my VAX/VMS system, sending to
>>> "enkidu::phiber"@mim.update.uu.se <http://mim.update.uu.se> from gmail.
>>>
>>
>> Good.
>>
>> Something odd with my TOPS-20 mail setup on GLGMSH, it assumes ALL mail
>>> is Internet mail, and doesn't seem to know what to do with a DECnet
>>> style mail address. That's a separate issue, not related to your mail
>>> gateway.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah. So you could not even send to just MIM::BQT from GLGMSH?
>
>
> Nope. The mailer strips DECnet addresses to "HOST:" and fails trying to
> deliver this over the Internet.
> E.g: if I try to send mail to MIM::BQT, it tries to deliver to "MIM:" and
> immediately fails. Haven't yet had time to track down what's going on.
>
>
>>
>>
>> By the way, if I try to run MAIL on MIM at the moment, it gives me an
>>> error:
>>> $ mail
>>> Sorry, no mail reader yet.
>>>
>>> It used to work just fine...
>>>
>>
>> Yeah. It defaulted to send, since there is no mail reader. Which I
>> decided was wrong. Try the command "SEND" instead, which does just the mail
>> sending.
>>
>
> How about reading mail sent to MIM? I'm pretty sure I've read test e-mails
> that I've sent to MIM, using MAIL on MIM.
>
> -Mark
>
>
>> (It can also take two arguments: 1) A short text, and 2) an address, at
>> which point it will just immediately send that short text.)
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>>
>>> Regards
>>> -Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:39 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2017-04-13 06:55, Mark Abene wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm.. I don't seem to have received that first test message.
>>> I just sent another to "glgmsh::phiber"@mim.update.uu.se
>>> <http://mim.update.uu.se>
>>> <http://mim.update.uu.se> (with quotes) in gmail, subject is
>>> "test #2".
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I can see in the logs that the mail passed through MIM and was
>>> delivered to GLGMSH. What happens after that I have no idea...
>>>
>>> Johnny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Johnny Billquist
>>> <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2017-04-12 22:37, Mark Abene wrote:
>>>
>>> YOU worked at GOOGLE? Say it isn't so, Johnny!
>>>
>>>
>>> Stressing the past tense, yes. No more bqt at google.com
>>> <mailto:bqt at google.com>
>>> <mailto:bqt at google.com <mailto:bqt at google.com>> for me. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> I responded elsewhere, I'm having the reverse problem
>>> trying to send
>>> mail to a HECnet address using gmail, and gmail is
>>> refusing the user
>>> part with the colons. Quoting it made it go through, but
>>> it never
>>> arrived at the destination...
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure exactly what my problem was. But as it was stuck on
>>> Mim I
>>> realized that my error handling on the MAIL11 side was not
>>> good, so
>>> I redesigned and expanded on it, and somehow that solved the
>>> problem
>>> with your mail as well... (or so I think.)
>>>
>>> Johnny
>>>
>>>
>>> -Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Johnny Billquist
>>> <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2017-04-10 21:45, Cory Smelosky wrote:
>>>
>>> Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2017-04-10 21:27, Cory Smelosky wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:04, Johnny
>>> Billquist
>>> <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> However, like I said, Google is
>>> refusing
>>> mails with
>>> a source address
>>> that don't pass various rules they
>>> have,
>>> which is in
>>> violation of RFC
>>> 5321. And the silly think is that
>>> the error
>>> Google
>>> gives refers to
>>> RFC 5321 as a reason why they are
>>> refusing.
>>>
>>> As the source address should be used
>>> when
>>> reporting
>>> any problems
>>> back, I cannot really fake it
>>> either, without
>>> potentially loosing
>>> more information. I'm going to try
>>> and ping
>>> people
>>> at Google, but I
>>> do not have very high hopes of this
>>> being
>>> resolved.
>>> So the answer
>>> might just be that Google is broken,
>>> and you
>>> should
>>> avoid it.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll poke some google friends and see if
>>> anyone
>>> is in
>>> the mail team.
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't. I know people on that team, and have
>>> already
>>> pinged them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alrighty!
>>>
>>>
>>> As I am no longer in that madhouse I guess I can
>>> admit now
>>> that I've
>>> worked for the last almost 8 years there... Not on
>>> Gmail though.
>>>
>>>
>>> Johnny
>>>
>>> --
>>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>>> || on a
>>> psychedelic trip
>>> email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>> ||
>>> Reading murder books
>>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay
>>> hip" -
>>> B. Idol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>>> || on a psychedelic trip
>>> email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> ||
>>> Reading murder books
>>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" -
>>> B. Idol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>>> || on a psychedelic trip
>>> email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> ||
>>> Reading murder books
>>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
>> || on a psychedelic trip
>> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>>
>
>
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